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EVENT:
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ENERPLUS RESOURCES FUND AND FOCUS ENERGY
TRUST MERGER
CONFERENCE CALL
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12H00 E.T. |
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ENERPLUS RESOURCES FUND |
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APPROXIMATELY 28 MINUTES |
DATE: |
DECEMBER 3, 2007 |
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OPERATOR:
Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by. Welcome to
the
Enerplus Resources and Focus Energy Conference Call regarding their strategic
merger. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following
the
presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. Instructions will
be provided at that time for you to queue up for questions. If anyone has any
difficulty hearing the conference, please press the '*0' for operator assistance
at any time. I would like to remind everyone that this conference is being
recorded today, Monday, December 3, 2007, at 12 p.m. Eastern Time. I would
now
like to turn the conference over to Mr. Gordon Kerr, President and Chief
Executive Officer of Enerplus. Please go ahead, sir.
GORDON
J. KERR (President and Chief Executive Officer, Enerplus Resources Fund): Thank
you, operator, and good morning, everyone. As you've been advised, it's Gord
Kerr, President and CEO of Enerplus Resources Fund. I'm here today with Derek
Evans, President and CEO of Focus Energy Trust. On behalf of everyone at
Enerplus and Focus, I thank you for joining us on this call, particularly given
the rather short notice. Earlier this morning, Enerplus and Focus issued a
joint
news release outlining an agreement that provides for the strategic combination
of Enerplus and Focus. Copies of our joint news release can be found on both
our
websites, and a replay of this call will be available following the dial-in
information contained within the news release. The purpose of this call is
to
outline the proposed transaction and to answer any questions you may
have.
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Now,
as
I'm always required to do, before we get started, let me just quickly direct
your attention to our advisory on forward-looking information found at the
end
of the press release. Information in this call will contain forward-looking
statements, and therefore, listeners should understand the risks and limitations
of that information as outlined in the advisory.
Let
me
just start with a brief summary of the proposed transaction. Enerplus and Focus
have entered into an agreement that provides for the strategic combination
of
the two trusts. Under the terms of the agreement, Focus unit holders will
receive 0.425 of an Enerplus unit for each Focus Trust unit held. In addition,
the Focus partnership units that are currently outstanding and remain
outstanding at closing will become exchangeable into Enerplus at the same 0.425
ratio. This represents a premium to Focus unit holders of approximately 3
percent over the 10-day volume weighted average trading price of Focus on the
TSX.
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The
combined trust will carry on business as Enerplus and continue to be listed
on
both the TSX and the NYSE. This agreement is subject to approval by at least
66
and two-thirds of Focus unit holders who vote with respect to the transaction.
Under the exchange ratio, Enerplus unit holders will own approximately 75
percent of the combined trust, and Focus unit holders will own approximately
21
percent.
Now
let
me move to what we will see as the key benefits of the combination. We are
combining what we believe are two well-respected trusts to create a better,
stronger, and more technically focused organization with exciting prospects
for
the future. The combined trust will have an expanded portfolio of resource
play
assets with low decline and significant drilling potential that will support
long-term distribution. We expect improved operating synergies resulting from
significant overlap of properties and a high concentration of shallow natural
gas.
We
also
expect that it will result in increased technical acumen and organizational
capabilities. The combined trust will have one of the strongest balance sheets
in the sector with a debt-to-cash-flow ratio of approximately one times. With
an
enterprise value of approximately $7.6 billion, we will have a greater financial
capacity to pursue additional M&A activity and large capital projects. We
also expect increased trading volumes on the TSX and NYSE, increased weightings
in major industries, including the S&P TSX 60 index, and improved access to
capital markets.
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Let
me
address other elements of the deal. The Board of Directors of Enerplus and
Focus
have unanimously approved the combination agreement, and have concluded that
the
transaction is in the best interest of the Enerplus and Focus unit holders
respectively. Focus directors and officers who own approximately 15 percent
of
the combined outstanding trust units and exchangeable partnership units have
agreed to vote their Focus units in favour of the proposed
combination.
In
the
event the transaction is successful, Mr. David O'Brien and Mr. Clayton Woitas,
current members of the Focus Board of Directors, have agreed to join the
Enerplus Board, and we will be honoured to have these two individuals on our
Board. The current Enerplus executive team will continue in their current roles.
We expect a significant number of the Focus staff will be offered positions
in
the combined trust in a variety of leadership, technical, and support roles;
however, Focus senior executives are only expected to continue through a
transition period.
An
information circular is expected to be mailed to unit holders of Focus in late
December 2007 or early January 2008, with the Focus unit holder vote to be
held
sometime in mid- to late- February. Enerplus has the right to match any
competing proposal, and Focus has agreed to pay a non-completion fee of $48
million to Enerplus. This transaction is expected to be tax deferred for both
Canadian and U.S. resident Focus unit holders. Focus unit holders may elect
to
treat the transaction as taxable for Canadian federal tax purposes, but that
will be their call.
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With
respect to the combined trust, it will have over $100,000 BOE of production,
70
percent of which will be operated and will be one of the top shallow gas
producers in Canada. We are forecasting 2008 capital spending of approximately
$600 million, $500 million of which will be on conventional assets, and $100
million on our oil sands play. 2008 cash flow is forecasted at approximately
$1.1 billion in the context of current prices. We will also have a pro forma
reserve life index on a 2P basis of approximately 14 years, retaining one of
the
longest LRIs in this sector.
Now,
let me turn to some of the key benefits from an Enerplus perspective. We think
it's rare that we get an opportunity to combine with such a well-respected,
technically driven organization. Focus is contributing quality properties with
high net backs, low operating costs, and strong capital efficiencies. These
properties high grade our current portfolio and operating
effectiveness.
One
of
the main properties is Shackleton, which overlaps with our existing interest
in
the area. The Shackleton property is a large Milk River shallow gas resource
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play
in
Saskatchewan. It complements our expertise in shallow gas development, which
we
have built up over the last 10 years. This property alone offers more than
1500
future drilling locations representing approximately five years of low-risk,
repeatable development opportunities. We will have a leading operator position
in the area, with 95 percent average working interest. This property offers
potential for increased wealth density, additional compression, play extension
though step well drilling on undeveloped land, and re-completion
opportunities.
The
second major property is located in northeastern British Columbia. Tommy Lakes
provides a resource play focus for Enerplus in deep tight gas and complements
Enerplus's existing deep gas plays. It is a tight natural gas property producing
from the halfway sandstone formation. It is an operated, winter-access property
with more than 50 expected future drilling locations, representing at least
three years of anticipated development opportunities.
The
halfway sandstone formation. Both the Shackleton and Tommy Lakes properties
have
large accumulations of natural gas in place where small changes in recovery
factors can materially impact remaining reserves and future cash flow. Both
properties have top quartile operating metrics. We are increasing our natural
gas exposure at a time when North American natural gas prices are currently
depressed. We, however, remain bullish on the long-term outlook for natural
gas
prices. At this point, I'm going to pass the call over to Derek so he can give
the Focus perspective on the transaction.
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DEREK
W. EVANS (Director, President, and Chief Executive Officer, Focus Energy Trust):
Thanks, Gord. Good morning ladies and gentlemen. I'd just like to provide a
Focus perspective on the transaction. We are excited about this, as it provides
a number of unique benefits, not the least of which is the opportunity to
partner with a company that's got great assets. We're also picking up some
increased exposure to resource plays that will provide significant, low-risk,
repeatable drilling opportunities for the combined entity. Approximately 60
percent of Enerplus's current production comes from these long-life resource
plays. If you are familiar with the Focus story, we’ve spent a substantial
period of time over the last five years talking about the importance of these
plays, not only from a production replacement perspective, but also from a
reserve appreciation perspective.
We're
also seeing a large portfolio of organic development opportunity come to the
table that will complement our substantial drilling inventories at both Tommy
Lakes and Shackleton. We're going to get a better balance of commodities, oil
and gas, with greater property diversification. Both of those things will
mitigate risk on a go-forward basis.
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As
we
look to the future, we're also picking up some oil sands exposure through
Enerplus's interest in the Kirby SAGD project, which has 30,000 barrels a day
production potential, and, of course, the Jocelyn (ph) project, with another
30,000 barrels production potential from both mining and SAGD. Both of these
projects offer future long-term line-of-sight opportunities, from a production
capital perspective over the next 10 years.
One
of
the substantial benefits to Focus unit holders will, if they continue to hold
Enerplus units after the combination, they'll see a 27 percent increase in
their
distributions from the current distribution level. Thorough this combination,
though, we're also improving our cash pool coverage significantly. The combined
trust will have one of the lowest debt to cash flow ratios of the large trusts
out there, providing it with flexibility and opportunity to undertake more
transactions should they appear over the next little while. This transaction
also gives us exposure to a larger and well-capitalized entity with significant
liquidity.
Just
to
wrap up here, I take great pride in what the Focus team has been able to
accomplish over the last five years and, obviously, our high-quality, long
reserve life asset base. We have confidence in Gord and his team to take our
people and these assets forward. Gord, I'll turn it back to you.
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GORDON
J. KERR: Thanks, Derek. Basically, to come to a conclusion and open up the
Q&A, I just want to talk about the strategic rationale for this transaction.
It's not about getting bigger. It's about getting better. In addition to the
benefits that we outlined above, the combination of the two trusts is designed
to enhance the long-term, strategic direction of Enerplus as follows. First
of
all, it positions us for strong operating metrics with a greater percentage
of
operated properties and diversity of opportunities. Enerplus will be in a better
position to increase our tension on large, meaningful area and play types.
The
combination of the two trusts creates an organization with a long-term
sustainable business model with assets that we believe are ideally suited to
support a yield-oriented investment vehicle.
Enerplus
expects to continue operating under the trust structure for the next three
years, and after 2010, we expect that Enerplus will remain at distributing
energy, as we believe this is supported by the nature of our assets, skills,
investor expectations and demographics. We believe this transaction is ideally
suited to our strategic direction. At this point, I'm going to now open it
up
for questions, and back to the operator to take the calls.
OPERATOR:
Thank you. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now conduct the question
and
answer session. If you have a question, please press the '*' followed by the
'1'
on your touch-tone phone. You will hear a tone acknowledging your request.
Your
questions will be polled in the order that they are received. Please ensure
you
lift the handset if you are using a speakerphone before pressing any keys.
One
moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from Eugene
Lapetsky (ph) of (Inaudible) Partners. Please go ahead.
EUGENE
LAPETSKY: Hi guys. My first, and I guess only, question is whether or not you
are anticipating selling off any assets that are currently in the Focus
portfolio? Clearly, you outline two core properties, in Shackleton and Tommy
Lakes. Focus also has several other properties in its portfolio. Are you guys
looking to divest any of those?
GORDON
J. KERR: Eugene, there's actually about six other properties within the Focus
assets base, and we actually have pretty good overlap with those as well. I
think we were overlapping at about 50 percent of them. At this particular point
in time, we have not identified any non-core, I'll call it, assets for
disposition. That doesn't mean that we won't look at the combined portfolio
as
we won't look at the combined portfolio as we go through the transaction to
determine if there is something to be sold. Right now, that's not the view
that
we have.
EUGENE
LAPETSKY: Thank you.
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OPERATOR:
Your
next question comes from John Partridge of the Globe and Mail. Please go
ahead.
JOHN
PARTRIDGE: Hi. It's a question for Mr. Evans. Sir, I'm wondering why you've
chosen now to accept this offer, given your unit price is barely above the
52-week low. What is it that has made you want to go now, rather than wait,
perhaps give the units a chance to recover?
DEREK
W. EVANS: John, I think the easy answer to your question is it's a question,
or
it's a function of finding the right partner at the right time and the right
price. The Focus units trade at a significant premium to their net asset value,
and as a result, we're not too concerned about what the current gas price
environment is because we believe that ultimately, our asset, our long-term
asset value is reflected in that premium. In terms of undertaking a transaction
at this point in time, we don't believe we're doing it with a significantly
undervalued paper. We would point to the fact that we have traded in this range
pretty well for the last year, since post the fifth tax announcement in late
October of 2006.
JOHN
PARTRIDGE: Thank you.
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OPERATOR:
Your next question comes from Harold Smith of OSC. Please go ahead.
HAROLD
SMITH: Mr. Kerr, other than hope and bad weather, what makes you feel that
we
are bullish for longer-term outlook on natural gas prices?
GORDON
J. KERR: Well, first of all, with respect to bad weather, I think that would
be
a short-term effect on natural gas. When we look at the nature of the basin,
both here in Canada and in the U.S., we think there are challenges in terms
of
the continuation of supply. Secondly, when you think about the oil sands, and
of
course, there's been a lot of discussion about bringing natural gas down from
the North, there is going to be additional natural gas requirements there.
We
see challenges, both in the supply side of the equation, and then on the demand
side, we see opportunity. One of the things that people do talk a lot about
is
the incoming LNG supply, and there are a number of projects, I know, that are
on
the books. I think the reality is that as we get into a more global economy,
that supply and where it can go is much more fungible than a lot of people
realize. Again, I think I said it right at the get-go that we are still
long-term bullish on natural gas, and that's the view that has helped shape
our
decision on this transaction.
HAROLD
SMITH: Thank you.
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OPERATOR:
Your next question comes from Pat Roche of Daily Oil Bulletin. Please go
ahead.
PAT
ROCHE: Hi, your Kirby SAGD, I presume that's completely separate from the
Canadian Natural Resources SAGD project by the same name. Is that
correct?
GORDON
J. KERR: That's correct. We're in the approximate area, but it's totally a
separate project.
PAT
ROCHE: Okay, and what's the current status right now, and when is first oil
expected?
PAT
ROCHE: Thank you.
OPERATOR:
Your next question comes from John Harding of the National Post. Please go
ahead.
JOHN
HARDING: Good morning. I wanted to ask: the $600 million capital budget for
2008, is that more or less than Focus and Enerplus spent this year? I also
wanted to ask how much exposure the combined entity will have to Alberta, and,
if going forward strategically, there will be additional emphasis given the
royalties situation in Alberta towards pursuing opportunities in Saskatchewan
and North-eastern B.C.?
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GORDON
J. KERR: First of all, John, the $600 million is basically the capital programs
of both Enerplus and Focus combined. We may reallocate some of the capital,
but
in the aggregate, we expect to spend in that order. With respect to if it's
more
or less than what we spent, or will have spent in 2007? It will actually be
more
because of our Kirby project, if we exclude the acquisition of the Kirby
project. In other words, with respect to development spending, we expect to
be
up. I think, and Derek can correct me if I'm wrong, the spending for Focus
in
the 2008 program is pretty much in line with the current year.
DEREK
W. EVANS: That's correct.
GORDON
J. KERR: With respect to exposure into Alberta, well, given that the principal
properties of Focus are in Saskatchewan and British Colombia, it will obviously
reduce the mix within Alberta. We still will have a significant asset base
here
in Alberta, combined with both our conventional and our oil sands.
JOHN
HARDING: One follow-up, Gord, then, if I might. Was that, the fact that Focus
is
so focused in Saskatchewan and B.C., was that important to you in this
transaction?
GORDON
J. KERR: I would suggest, John, that it was an element. Again, when we look
at
diversification, it's important to us. With respect to, and I know everybody's
thinking about the outcome of the royalty review here within the province,
there's a couple of things for people to keep in mind. First of all, our
disclosure, we indicated that the impact on our cash flows will be mitigated
relative to others given the nature of our assets and the nature of our play
types. There are others that, I think,
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will
have greater exposure, especially when they're in the exploration area.
Secondly, with respect to oil sands, the most, I would say, critical concern
on
the royalty review panel's recommendations was not put into play. By that
I mean
the Oil Sands Severance Tax. We're, I think, somewhat optimistic on that
front.
Also, I'd say that the government has indicated that they will work to try
to,
I'll say, mitigate the unintended consequences of the outcome of the royalty
review. In aggregate, it wasn't, I would say, a key driver in the transaction,
but it certainly has an element of positiveness to us.
JOHN
HARDING: Thank you.
OPERATOR:
Your next question comes from Frank Morana (ph) of WTPD Management. Please
go
ahead.
FRANK
MORANA: Well, Mr. Kerr, you've already touched upon my question, which was
does
the company still stand by its approximation of the royalty, of the post-2008
royalty impact, that being approximately 2 percent of cash flow?
GORDON
J. KERR: That certainly applies to Enerplus. When we combine with Focus, I
would
suggest that it just helps preserve that that may be a conservative
number.
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FRANK
MORANA: Two percent?
GORDON
J. KERR: On our cash flows. Again, we've put some certain caveats about that.
Keep in mind that the royalty kicks in in January 2009. We have a lot of low
productivity type of wells. We're not in the high exploration end of the
business. That's really where I see a lot of the impact coming into play from
the royalty review. It's not so much on existing exploitable assets. It's on
future exploration-based assets that some of the bigger concerns out of that
whole program are emanating.
FRANK
MORANA: Thank you very much.
GORDON
J. KERR: You're welcome.
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Ladies and gentlemen, if there are any additional questions at this time, please
press the ‘*’, followed by the ‘1’. Your next question comes from Roger Serin of
TD Securities. Please go ahead.
ROGER
SERIN: Good morning, guys. I got a couple of questions.
GORDON
J. KERR: That's a surprise, Roger.
ROGER
SERIN: In your press release, you talked about distribution and CAPEX pro forma
being about 126 percent of the 2008 cash flow. I wonder if you could touch
on a
couple of things: what do you think your credit capacity might be, pro forma,
and what you should have undrawn? Secondly, what you're looking at as far as
drivers to maintain your current distribution levels?
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GORDON
J. KERR: First of all, on a combined basis, I'd say the existing lines of credit
would aggregate to over $1 billion - well, about $1.35 billion. We will work
with the bankers, but I would also think that we might even have additional
credit capacity beyond what we both put into place. It's again, I do have a
Scottish background, so I'm somewhat concerned about paying fees that I don't
have to pay. I think my CFO, Rob Waters, is of the same mind. and I imagine
Bill
Osmond is as well. I think, you know, we look to have significant, I would
say,
debt capacity within our ongoing entity. What's the second part?
ROGER
SERIN: My math showed you having $400 million to 500 million. Is that what
you
would consider to be "considerable debt capacity"?
GORDON
J. KERR: Yes. That's based on the existing lines of credit, Roger, but, again,
I
think we could look to expand it if we felt that it was
appropriate.
ROGER
SERIN: Okay. I guess the second part then was: you've got lots of debt capacity,
so you clearly could be spending more than your cash flow between CAPEX and
distribution in 2008, but what are, sort of, the drivers you would look, from
a
distribution policy point of view, to change that and live within your
means?
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GORDON
J. KERR: Again, we have traditionally advised the market that we'll distribute
anywhere from 60 to 90 percent of our cash flow. Over time, of course, we would
look to live within our cash flow on an after-distribution basis. We have some
significant growth that still lies in front of us, to the extent that we'll
finance beyond the existing cash flow. We would still look to continue to do
that. We've got our oil sands; we've got our opportunities in the U.S. Now
we
have some additional opportunities to advance programs on the joint
properties.
ROGER
SERIN: Thanks, guys. Congratulations.
GORDON
J. KERR: Thanks, Roger.
DEREK
W. EVANS: Thank you, Roger.
OPERATOR:
Your next question comes from Robert Mark (ph) of McDougall, McDougall, and
McTier (ph). Please go ahead.
ROBERT
MARK: Thanks. A question for Derek: in the past few weeks, months, Derek, you've
been talking more about being an acquirer of companies. I'm just wondering
what
changed in your strategy to decide to become an acquiree?
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DEREK
W. EVANS: Well, Robert, I think what we've always talked about was that the
goal
of the company was to get bigger. We had two strategies. One, which was to
go
out there and look for small junior oil and gas companies that had sufficient
asset quality that would have allowed us to carry on our sustainable business
plan. As we've worked through that over the last, last six months, what we're
seeing is that the junior oil and gas companies out there, the asset quality
would be diluted to us on a go-forward basis and would impair our ability to
run
that sustainable business model. That's part of the reason, we believe, we
trade
at the premium we do.
At
the
same time as we've been undertaking that review of the available junior oil
and
gas companies, we had also been approached by a number of, what we would call,
very high quality trusts - less than five - that had expressed some interest
in
putting the two companies together. We went in, and we took a look at their
asset quality. We came to the conclusion that we were looking for three things
if we were going to go down the road of a merger with a trust. We wanted to
make
sure that the asset quality was comparable or better than our own. We wanted
to
know that there was a clearly defined picture of what the future looked like.
We
also wanted to believe and, or we weren't prepared to accept any sort of offer
which didn't recognize the premium that we traded at. As we talked to a variety
of different players in that (inaudible), Enerplus came to the top. To answer
you question more concisely, we always had two plans; the merger with another
trust got to the finish line first.
ROBERT
MARK: Thanks.
OPERATOR:
There are no further questions at this time. Please continue.
GORDON
J. KERR: I guess if there are no further questions, we’ll conclude the call.
Thank you, everyone, for joining us.
DEREK
W. EVANS: Thank you.
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